Many parents write to us complaining about favoritism. If a coach is favoring his/her own child and it is a problem , what is the best way to handle it?
First, it is important that parents understand before they become coaches the importance of not favoring their own child because of the resentment it causes in both other players and their parents.
I agree, speak with the coach at a later time, not after a game or e-mail. However, on the average, and I'm generalizing, but in MOST cases, the coach's kid is usually one of the better players, thus they handle the ball more, pitch, etc. I've coached boys and girls teams for years (my kid's play) and I rarely see a coach's kid who isn't one of their teams better players. Why? The coach is usually the coach becasue they are interested in sports as a family and practice at home. It's part of their lives.
I get frustrated with parents who push for this equal playing time rule, yet they put little if any extra time into the sport. Do we give everyone an A on a spelling test because they just show up for the test, prepared or not? Of course not.
There is actually some value in making kids learn how to prepare to be successful. The ones who buy in and work hard should play more than the kid who just shows up twice a week for their two hours and never picks up a ball otherwise.
Submitted by Lee Hanson on Fri, 09/26/2008 - 21:44.
John Dee,
Yours is on of the most proposterous comments I've read in a very long time on the subject of "playing the coaches kids". From your comments, I must assume that you consider yourself to be an expert on this subject since your quote contains statements such as "on the average, in MOST cases, etc.
I have watched youth football for many years and constantly noticed the trend of coaches sons playing all of the key positions. And each year, I watched as new players signed up, with joy and excitement all over their faces only to have them end up begging at a chance to play and often getting yelled at by the coach for even asking. So instead of the joy and excitement that they started with, that look very quickly turned to sadness and ultimately most just quit.
Last year, I joined the Pop Warner Board in an attempt to correct this injustice because it was obvious that if this trend continued, Pop Warner would cease to exist in this small town. Strict rules were layed out and all coaches had to agree to abide by them. Even though I did not have a son old enough to play, I decided to have a go at assistant coach and I will never do it again! The practice of coaches playing their own sons not only as QB, but also as RB, MLB, RCVR etc. was so pervasive that 6 different coaches also practiced the same type of favoritism. I spent most of my time trying to console the new boys who weren't given a chance to play. In fact, the Head Coaches made it a blatant habit of deliberately letting these boys know that they are "minimal play players".
So, back to your ridiculous statement..."in MOST cases, the coach's kid is usually one of the better players, thus they handle the ball more, pitch, etc." Duhhh, has it ever occured to you, John Dee, that these kids are usually the better players because they get "all of the playing time". How do you know that you don't have a potential "superstar" sitting on your bench??? The answer, "You don't!!" Your too busy trying to satisfy your own superego, and unfortunately, doing so at the expense of young children who came to you filled with excitement and hope.
John Dee, I call you a "Dream Stealer". And on a final note, I should add that ultimately, just one year later, Pop Warner ceased to exist in this town(not enough kids would sign up). So keep YOUR ego up there in the clouds John Dee, while you continue to destroy the egos and self-esteem of young children. Your a heck of guy.
Submitted by Larry Price on Sun, 10/26/2008 - 15:47.
I agree with you Lee. Kids sports will go the way of the dinos if folks like Dee continue to have their heads in the clouds. Who is fooloing who? The game within the game here is for the dads to see which one of them is still standing on the sideleines watching JR in HS.
I have seen many women coaches who also favor their child. It is not a male/female or mom/dad issue. It seems to be shared by both parties. I would love to hear more about the coaches whom have made a real effort to implement a fair play -equal play policy. Any thoughts?
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What if your kid is one of the better players? Possibly even better than the coaches kid, and the coach doesn't want to play him that much, because it "shows up" his own kid. What if your kid is trying, is relatively quiet, and is encouraging the other kids? I agree with you that it may seem that the coaches kids are "better", sometimes they are, sometimes they are not. It may be true that they have more available time with the father to practice ( this should make the kid grateful, not full of him/herself) I also agree that not everyone that has a "pulse" should be "on the team". It does depend on what level you are playing at. At the little league level, it is important that all the kids play, those are the rules. It does not mean that you tolerate laziness, but really, you need to keep perspective! That is the key ingredient, missing today from, coaches, parents, and players. Work hard, take the time, only expect out of it what is put into it. We had a coach once who hardly practiced, then yelled at the kids every game for losing (um hello)! It is still a game.... a game.... a game. Having been there-done that, I can honestly say in two years time no one will remember what was won, or lost. What is important is what lessons do you take away from the experience? Another thing; yes there will always be better players, especially as you climb the ladder in the sporting world, usually it is the kids who work hard, but occasionally it is just the kid that is just plain old talented. Kids have to learn, that no matter how "good" you are now, there will always be bigger fish in the sea, and I think coaches that put their own kid at the "top" for everything, even if their kid is the "best", are doing that kid a great disservice, for at some point the kid is going to see that he/she isn't the best. I see this all the time. I saw it as a child athlete, and on up. in HS and college.then as a coach, and now as a parent. Stop putting these kids on pedastels they are almost certain to fall from, and teach them the value of hard work, and a humble attitude towards those less "talented" or maybe less fortunate....character counts folks!
Submitted by Kirk Mango on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 18:41.
This is one of the reasons I, pretty much, stayed away from coaching my own kids on competitive teams. No matter how "fair" you are as a coach there will almost always be someone else that will view your decision making as unfair to their child. Even with the best intentions this situation tends to backfire a lot. Even though I also believe that playing time, and player position (for the most part), should be pretty equally distributed at the younger ages (for developing a love of the game, and decreasing the chances of pigeon holing young athletes), I used any discrepancy or "unfairness" as a perfect opportunity for a life lesson to be taught. Whether in sports, school, the workplace, or just about anywhere, life is simply not always going to be fair. If, and when, my daughters came home with complaints of the coach not being fair (whether it be position, playing time, or not making the level team they wanted), the referee not being fair, the opposing team not playing fair, etc. etc. I almost always would ask them what "they" felt they could or should do about changing the situation. As long as their answer demonstrated good character and showed a willingness to better themselves then nothing more would need to be said, if not, then my encouragement would center on the thought process just described. What this did was to place the responsibility and ownership directly where it should be, with the athlete. Doing otherwise takes away the athletes own control for change. Unless a situation came up that was physically and/or emotionally damaging to my child, I pretty much let them work it out. My encouragement, again, came only from the standpoint of coming from inside them to make change happen. Whenever I had discussions with a coach of a team my kids played on it was always in reference to whether my kid is giving their best effort, what more they would like to see from them, what they felt the goals should be for the team or my daughter
In reality, all coaches favor certain players. I try to keep in mind the many hours and dedication these parent-coaches bring to youth sports when I get frustrated about the favoritism. If a coach is favoring a daughter over my potentially-equal kid, then I remind myself that I'm not the one out there twice a week coaching practices, 1-2 games per weekend, tournaments both in-state and out, scheduling meetings, dealing with kids & their parents, etc.
Life isn't fair and if the coach's kid gets a bit of a perk, so be it. I'm not talking about blatant abuse here. Those of us that sit on the sidelines need to be sure we show our appreciation and respect to these dedicated members of our communities. It's just another one of life's lessons and we need to use it as a teaching experience. You don't always get the promotion you deserve at work, teachers don't always grade fairly or evenly, and coaches aren't perfect.
I'm sure I've complained about this very same issue in the past. It's not fun to watch a child get more playing time than you think yours deserves. Kirk, your reply is excellent.
Submitted by Marti Smith on Mon, 06/16/2008 - 19:45.
What about the opposite situation where a coach is too hard on their own child? My husband coaches my son and there are many times where he goes to the opposite end of the spectrum and yells at him more or plays him less where he wouldn't with somebody else's child. He is very aware of this and we always talk about it after the fact. However, he did admit this weekend that when our boy makes a good play, he gets just a little more excited than he would with another player. The big picture is that it is very difficult to coach youth sports period, let alone while integrating home life into it as well. We chose to be involved to avoid having a "bad coach" situation and therefore we will deal with the down sides. My son undestands this and puts up wtih the extra "coaching" for the greater good.
Jillian, I disagree. I'm not going to say that favoritism does not happen because I'm sure it does. But I feel it's isolated. Youth sports are easy because all you do is sign up, practice a few times a week and play games. In middle and high school sports, it's more day to day and the commitment is much higher. The "natural" who doesn't want to work at it drop off.
And yes, unfortunately, in today's travel sports world, kids from families with money and a stable home life have an advantage. I've never favored equal playing time, it gives no incentive for kids to work hard.
Submitted by Bob Swope on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 18:50.
I have coached young beginning kids on and off for nearly 40 years now. I had two boys that were on a teams where I was the head coach. I had some problems at first. Not so much with me favoring them, but they didn't like their dad correcting and telling them what to do all the time. I guess they got enough of that at home. They were not the best kids on their teams either. How I finally worked it out was to get some good coaches to help me, not try to do it all by myself. Then one of the other coaches would coach my son, and I would coach their son. We would have coaches meetings where we would discuss how all the kids on the team were doing. They would tell me how my son was doing, and I would tell them how their son was doing. Then we would discuss how the other coach thought my son could improve, and I would tell them how I thought their son was doing and could improve. Then we would agree on a course of action to take to help them learn and improve. Now I have to say here that I picked coaches that agreed with my basic philosophy of teaching all the boys every fundamental skill we could come up with. This way we each knew our sons were getting excellent coaching. And it worked, they had much more fun out there and they were successful.
Submitted by Larry Price on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 16:09.
The tough thing for you (and me) is that once you stick your neckk out and stand up for what is right your kids may feel the heat,,,unless,, you start off by saying something good and then,, saying I fear there will be reprecusions if I speak up--and then ask how can I make certain this coach will not go on to harm the kids? Worked one year for us. Good luck man.
This is a difficult situation and I can see both ways. I'm not sure there is a right answer. If you split teams evenly, both teams are ok, but neither are really successful and you can't develop fully. You stack one team and you have one really good team and one really bad team. Sometimes when you have a really bad team put together, a couple of those kids really step up and play well because they have to. Whereas if they were on an ok team, they may not get that chance to shine. Conversely even the stacked team will have a couple of kids who may not improve as much as they can because they don't get a chance to play a certain position or handle the ball,etc.
I agree with the reply by John, but what we may need to look at is what point do we start seperating kids into competetive and developmental teams. We are having this discussion at our program, with one group wanting to seperate out into a competetive team with other team getting the inexperienced players. I know we want to see kids develop into better athletes, but this is happening with basketball at the 4th and 5th grade level. As a former youth coach who watched the preseason workouts along with several other coaches, out of 20 girls for the 5th grade level, 3 or 4 somewhat stood out more than others, but not that significantly. The middle 12-14 were fairly similar, with the last couple needing more work than the others. The problem we are running into is a small group of parents want to select the few, primarily friends, and move on. Most of the remaining parents including 3 coaches want to develop the fundamentals for everyone at this age, and then move on to the seperation. Our question is at what age/grade level. We have varied opinions, but most agree that at the 4th/5th grade level may be too soon for most kids.
I have coached girls sports for the last 15 yrs. in our area and i have found that the words, thanks coach is getting spoken less and less by the parents especially. I like reading the articles at your site, but did'nt see anything from coaches about the above subject and i am curious if you have received any mail from other coaches or have felt that way yourself. I am not looking for the pat on the back and you know the job is and can be a thankless one. Thanks for listening.
Submitted by Tandy Moore on Sat, 08/02/2008 - 19:56.
I am amazed at all of the coaching groups out here like Positive Coaching, etc. They seem to be a huge business and do run many coaches through the program but then the coach is gone. I would love to see more physical ed majors get paid to coach our kids instead of the parent looking out for his own. I always start the season wanting to be thankful but too often I am very mad at the end of it.
Submitted by Debbie Lantz on Tue, 08/05/2008 - 01:01.
Tandy, I think you are right on track with what really needs to start happening in youth sports. It won't solve all the problems but I wonder what kind of changes would take place if leagues started hiring professionals to do the coaching, like you suggested. There are a lot of great volunteer coaches out there like Elizabeth and we should be grateful they want to spend time with our kids. There are also a lot of not so great volunteer coaches. I have a BS in Physical Education which was required in order for me to coach in the public schools. I couldn't just show up on the playground one day and tell the principal I really love to teach sports to kids so you should let me. No child, regardless of age can be taught sports by a person with a weekend workshop under their belt or by a volunteer in our public schools no matter how good their intentions are. As parents, we need to be willing to pay for that expertise. This means higher league fees which most league directors I talk with say they fear doing. So, the dilemna continues. Great discussion!
Submitted by Christy Atlas on Tue, 08/26/2008 - 13:52.
I had the same issues with favoritism in the past. I recently put my son in an i9 Sports coed soccer league in Tampa. I think they have them all over the country. Their coaches seem to be better trained at giving all the kids equal playing time. The games are about an hour and everyone plays every game at least 30 minutes. My son also gets to play different positions in this league. The last league he played in he never got to play goalie because he wasn't as strong of a player as the other kids. Now it's his favorite position and has really helped his confidence. I had to sign a parental pledge that says I'm committed to my son having fun and that I won't yell at the coach. I thought it was a joke at first but the parents on this team are pretty positive. It's been a great experience. I'm putting my daughter in this fall.
I understand some of your frustrations with youth sports. But let's take a different spin on this for once. When Johnny or Suzie are out there competing for jobs, they may or may not get a job. It may go to someone who they are better qualfied than, but it is what it is.
They may get a job at a place where they have to work a little harder than the person next to them. Or they may be better at sales than math and get a job in sales rather than accounting.
My point is that LIFE ISN'T FAIR! We're creating a generation of one size fits all, everyone gets equal playing time, and these kids don't know how to compete for anything. They whine to the administration that they are being treated unfairly.
What's wrong with putting a kid in goalie whose good at it, rather than putting a kid whose scared of the ball in goal?
I laugh when there are actual classes and training where coaches have to be certified to coach kids in a sport that they already know.
Quit worrying about where your kid plays and just tell them to do the best job they can. The coaches who compete to win will recognize that and put them in positions to help the team win. While many of you constantly talk about equal playing time and kids playing other positions, I've never seen a kid, high school on down, who was happy after their team lost a game. I have,however, seen kids who don't play much or contribute much, estatic after their TEAM won. People like to be successful, it's how we are wired.
I understand some of your frustrations with youth sports. But let's take a different spin on this for once. When Johnny or Suzie are out there competing for jobs, they may or may not get a job. It may go to someone who they are better qualfied than, but it is what it is.
They may get a job at a place where they have to work a little harder than the person next to them. Or they may be better at sales than math and get a job in sales rather than accounting.
My point is that LIFE ISN'T FAIR! We're creating a generation of one size fits all, everyone gets equal playing time, and these kids don't know how to compete for anything. They whine to the administration that they are being treated unfairly.
What's wrong with putting a kid in goalie whose good at it, rather than putting a kid whose scared of the ball in goal?
I laugh when there are actual classes and training where coaches have to be certified to coach kids in a sport that they already know.
Quit worrying about where your kid plays and just tell them to do the best job they can. The coaches who compete to win will recognize that and put them in positions to help the team win. While many of you constantly talk about equal playing time and kids playing other positions, I've never seen a kid, high school on down, who was happy after their team lost a game. I have,however, seen kids who don't play much or contribute much, estatic after their TEAM won. People like to be successful, it's how we are wired.
John, while it is true that it is important for kids to learn the value of overcoming obsticles with hard work and how to grow through failure, I think the reason we see so many kids dropping out of sports is that we treat them like adults and not kids. I also believe the goal in childhood should be to prepare children for adulthood by giving them a chance to develop coping skills and the self-confidence needed to succeed in the adult world in a safe and nurturing environment.
I would love to see all the kids who want to play be kept in the talent pool all the way up and let's see the slow bloomers shine at the varsity level. If we knock them out early becuase they have not matured yet diminishes the program in the long run. As I travel the US I am amazed at the athletic abilities the non-team athletes have compared to team athletes. Kids who develop later and have not had the opportunity to play on sports in school are among our nations best athletes--and many will tell you they knew they had potential talent but just were not able to show it.
Submitted by Levi Hirsch on Sat, 09/13/2008 - 12:08.
John, good dialogs bring in many voices so I hope we get a national debate going here.
I have been a middle and HS coach for over 27 years now and have seen our school district grow from the time I graduated in 73 until today--over 400%. !! The entire school district (sports district) has over 30 schools-including all sports from golf, ultimate, volleyball, and the big four of basketball, baseball, football and soccer. While the sports programs have grown to include more girls the same programs by and far have stayed the same.One varsity, one junior varsity on frehman team. So take my sport of choice--basketball. In 1978 at the same school I coach at there were three teams for boys basketball. Same in 1948, 1958, 1968, 1978, 1988, 1998 and yes this year 2008. We hand out roster spots to 18 freshman boys, 16, junior varsity and 12 varsity players. Now get this, back in '48 (my old man's class) there were only 92 kids in the high school. Now, in the same HS we have 2024 students!!! Anyone doing the math has quickly understood that we are only offering a tiny fraction of the school population a place to play. In earlier years any kid who wanted to could play--and actually my dad says that the coaches just about broke your arm if you did not play.
So, here is the real conundrum as most of us see it. We now have far far fewer of our nations kids participating in sports and a greater number soaking money from our nation to pay for time not on the BB courts but in the legal court system. When you point fingers and whine about no money you may want to add up the billions of dollars we are spending on kids in jail and the crime that kids on the streets cost us as a society. Isn't this a question of priorities?
We are paying billions of dollars for a foolish war and billions on kids in reform schools, state pens, etc. yet no money for sports programs??? if you want to see better sports programs (I have actually watched the quality of the athletes decline every year) and better athletes you need to keep a bigger pool in the game. Do every thing in your power to fund the programs and build them in proportion to the school population. If we keep on this pace of being exclusionary we will end up with no school programs. Parents will begin (they are starting) to say--I am not funding any programs that are excluding my kid. Then where will we be?
Levi, not sure where to begin. It appears that your school is trying to keep up with the times. I'm sure they have more sports than in 1973. I don't know where you got the thought that LESS kids are participating. All stats I've seen is that participation in athletic programs are at an all time high.
Schools are struggling money-wise, that's a given. The rant involving spending money on kids in jails and war is a political and not sure where you are going with that.
This pie-in-the-sky idea that we should have a YMCA like program at each school so every kid can play basketball regardless of ability is never going to work. Like the idea, but let's get real.
Finally, the thought that the quality of athlete is declining every year???? I wholeheartedly disagree with that thought. All through time, kids have been bigger, stronger and faster as each generation goes by. 50 years ago, athletes were better than 100 years ago. Today's generation is better than my generation ('84) and the next generation will be better than today's.
I have coached youth baseball for several years. I also coach youth basketball on and off. There is a happy medium that I don't believe has yet been addressed on this forum, so I shall explore it here.
In all of the leagues that I have coached -- baseball or basketball -- we played a "regular season" of games that were considered developmental. No won-loss records were recorded (although all of the kids knew them!) during the regular season. At the end of the regular season, we did hold tournaments which "counted." The developmental season lasted about 70% of the full season. During that portion of the season, successful managers typically rotated their players and developed players at new positions. Those who failed to do so never had enough bench strength or depth at important positions when we got to our tournaments.
During our developmental season, I always played my own child at skill positions for 3 innings of each game and for 2 innings in the outfield. He sat on the bench for one inning, as did every other player. I tried to follow that model with every player unless I had a player who was at risk of injury if I put him or her in the infield. When we got to our tournament, I played each player where he or she was strongest in comparison to all other players on the squad. The top 8 players each played for every inning and the bottom 4 played half a game each. If I was fortunate enough to feel that I did not have 4 players who were materially less developed than the top 8, I would bench all players equally. Bottom line: All of my players (and the players of many other managers in our leagues) new that they were playing for playing time and that if they performed well in the developmental season, they would get more desireable assignments during the tournament.
Submitted by Wanita Hatt on Sun, 11/16/2008 - 20:08.
I wish more coaches were like David. I have 3 kids and all involved in sports. I have 2 that are 12 and 1 that is 10. We have had to go outside our home town in order to give our kids a fair chance at playing sports in our community. Two of my kids are talented and the third has some physical restrictions. I have had the pleasure of having some good coaches in our home town where my kids were treated very fairly. Also they have had the experience of having coaches who only wanted to see their own kids succeed. It is because of the later coaches that we have left our community and went elsewhere and have been treated very well.
David I am glad you have gone into all your seasons with a solid plan that includes all the kids and how they get playing time in regards to how they perform. I have seen in our community how certain players get all the playing time regardless of how they play just because who they are. I have seen what this did to my daughter who was very talented until she played softball for these certain coaches. I am having a hard time convincing her now that she has talent and is able to play the game. I think what upsets me the most was she use to have a real love for the game and enjoyed playing it but after two years of those coaches catering to their daughters she no longer wants anything to do with it.
I am very happy that we have found a really good AAU basketball coach for her for the second year in a row. I have yet to say he favors any of the kids. It took me ½ way through the season last year to figure out who his daughter was. That is what a good coach should do. Unfortunately, politics are too involved in my community and have made it bad for the kids.
Footnote – our U14 travel softball team looks like it will not happen in the spring of 2009 most of the players from last year do no want to play for the coaches, including my daughter.
I was a child athlete (gymnastics) high school athlete,college athlete, ran a gymnastics club, have a BA in Sports management, have coached almost all levels of gymnastics. Now we have our six kids in track and field (HS), baseball, little league, Babe Ruth, legion, and Rec soccer. I have seen a tremendous amount of favoritism, both from coaching parents of kids that play, and even from high school coaches. Some of that favoritism has been directed at my kids, and also against my kids. For the most part I find that the coaches are trying to do a good job. Where most of the trouble seems to lie is in little league, and and junior leagues. It is true that these people are volunteers and they simply do not have to "be nice" if they do not feel like it. I am not taking away from the good ones, because there have been some. I do not find the problem in soccer as much. Less sitting around time maybe? Usually the coaches either favor their kid or yell at their kid, either extreme is wrong, but as I tell my kids politics are everywhere, and you have to learn to just deal with it. It is sad though for the kids, especially if they are doing a good job, trying their hardest, and even if they are also talented physically to watch a "spoiled brat coaches kid" get a reward simply for being the coaches kid, it is "unfair" but more than that it teaches the kids that it does not matter how good you are, how much of a good attitude you have, or how much you try. Rewards should be given on merit, and attitude, not on favoritism. I have watched an entire team of little league boys being discouraged by that, and then being told that they (expletive)....I mean seriously why would the kids want to play after being told that? As a matter of fact. on this one particular team, one of the coaches kids would come into the dug-out, and use the (expletive) at the other kids "we @%#$%" this very kid got the "sportsmanship" award at the youth "banquet"...I mean what does that say to the rest of the kids. Of course if you speak up as a parent, you and your kid get branded......oh well that is the way of the sporting world...should not be, yet often is. Mirrors real life!
I think the cases of favortism to the coache's kids are isolated and get alot of play (squeeky wheel). In general (and I've coached my kids in several sports) and here is what I've observed.
Coache's kids are:
1. Usually one of the better players on the team. Parents are more interested in sports, tend to play with the kid more at a young age.
2. Usually gets criticized more than the other players. Expectations are usually higher and more is expected. I know I got after my kids more than anyone else on the team.
Coaches favoring their own child
I agree, speak with the
I agree, speak with the coach at a later time, not after a game or e-mail. However, on the average, and I'm generalizing, but in MOST cases, the coach's kid is usually one of the better players, thus they handle the ball more, pitch, etc. I've coached boys and girls teams for years (my kid's play) and I rarely see a coach's kid who isn't one of their teams better players. Why? The coach is usually the coach becasue they are interested in sports as a family and practice at home. It's part of their lives.
I get frustrated with parents who push for this equal playing time rule, yet they put little if any extra time into the sport. Do we give everyone an A on a spelling test because they just show up for the test, prepared or not? Of course not.
There is actually some value in making kids learn how to prepare to be successful. The ones who buy in and work hard should play more than the kid who just shows up twice a week for their two hours and never picks up a ball otherwise.
I agree, speak with the coach.....
John Dee,
Yours is on of the most proposterous comments I've read in a very long time on the subject of "playing the coaches kids". From your comments, I must assume that you consider yourself to be an expert on this subject since your quote contains statements such as "on the average, in MOST cases, etc.
I have watched youth football for many years and constantly noticed the trend of coaches sons playing all of the key positions. And each year, I watched as new players signed up, with joy and excitement all over their faces only to have them end up begging at a chance to play and often getting yelled at by the coach for even asking. So instead of the joy and excitement that they started with, that look very quickly turned to sadness and ultimately most just quit.
Last year, I joined the Pop Warner Board in an attempt to correct this injustice because it was obvious that if this trend continued, Pop Warner would cease to exist in this small town. Strict rules were layed out and all coaches had to agree to abide by them. Even though I did not have a son old enough to play, I decided to have a go at assistant coach and I will never do it again! The practice of coaches playing their own sons not only as QB, but also as RB, MLB, RCVR etc. was so pervasive that 6 different coaches also practiced the same type of favoritism. I spent most of my time trying to console the new boys who weren't given a chance to play. In fact, the Head Coaches made it a blatant habit of deliberately letting these boys know that they are "minimal play players".
So, back to your ridiculous statement..."in MOST cases, the coach's kid is usually one of the better players, thus they handle the ball more, pitch, etc." Duhhh, has it ever occured to you, John Dee, that these kids are usually the better players because they get "all of the playing time". How do you know that you don't have a potential "superstar" sitting on your bench??? The answer, "You don't!!" Your too busy trying to satisfy your own superego, and unfortunately, doing so at the expense of young children who came to you filled with excitement and hope.
John Dee, I call you a "Dream Stealer". And on a final note, I should add that ultimately, just one year later, Pop Warner ceased to exist in this town(not enough kids would sign up). So keep YOUR ego up there in the clouds John Dee, while you continue to destroy the egos and self-esteem of young children. Your a heck of guy.
End of a dream
I agree with you Lee. Kids sports will go the way of the dinos if folks like Dee continue to have their heads in the clouds. Who is fooloing who? The game within the game here is for the dads to see which one of them is still standing on the sideleines watching JR in HS.
In all fairness,,
I have seen many women coaches who also favor their child. It is not a male/female or mom/dad issue. It seems to be shared by both parties. I would love to hear more about the coaches whom have made a real effort to implement a fair play -equal play policy. Any thoughts?
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Speak with the coach?
What if your kid is one of the better players? Possibly even better than the coaches kid, and the coach doesn't want to play him that much, because it "shows up" his own kid. What if your kid is trying, is relatively quiet, and is encouraging the other kids? I agree with you that it may seem that the coaches kids are "better", sometimes they are, sometimes they are not. It may be true that they have more available time with the father to practice ( this should make the kid grateful, not full of him/herself) I also agree that not everyone that has a "pulse" should be "on the team". It does depend on what level you are playing at. At the little league level, it is important that all the kids play, those are the rules. It does not mean that you tolerate laziness, but really, you need to keep perspective! That is the key ingredient, missing today from, coaches, parents, and players. Work hard, take the time, only expect out of it what is put into it. We had a coach once who hardly practiced, then yelled at the kids every game for losing (um hello)! It is still a game.... a game.... a game. Having been there-done that, I can honestly say in two years time no one will remember what was won, or lost. What is important is what lessons do you take away from the experience? Another thing; yes there will always be better players, especially as you climb the ladder in the sporting world, usually it is the kids who work hard, but occasionally it is just the kid that is just plain old talented. Kids have to learn, that no matter how "good" you are now, there will always be bigger fish in the sea, and I think coaches that put their own kid at the "top" for everything, even if their kid is the "best", are doing that kid a great disservice, for at some point the kid is going to see that he/she isn't the best. I see this all the time. I saw it as a child athlete, and on up. in HS and college.then as a coach, and now as a parent. Stop putting these kids on pedastels they are almost certain to fall from, and teach them the value of hard work, and a humble attitude towards those less "talented" or maybe less fortunate....character counts folks!
I took a different tact
This is one of the reasons I, pretty much, stayed away from coaching my own kids on competitive teams. No matter how "fair" you are as a coach there will almost always be someone else that will view your decision making as unfair to their child. Even with the best intentions this situation tends to backfire a lot. Even though I also believe that playing time, and player position (for the most part), should be pretty equally distributed at the younger ages (for developing a love of the game, and decreasing the chances of pigeon holing young athletes), I used any discrepancy or "unfairness" as a perfect opportunity for a life lesson to be taught. Whether in sports, school, the workplace, or just about anywhere, life is simply not always going to be fair. If, and when, my daughters came home with complaints of the coach not being fair (whether it be position, playing time, or not making the level team they wanted), the referee not being fair, the opposing team not playing fair, etc. etc. I almost always would ask them what "they" felt they could or should do about changing the situation. As long as their answer demonstrated good character and showed a willingness to better themselves then nothing more would need to be said, if not, then my encouragement would center on the thought process just described. What this did was to place the responsibility and ownership directly where it should be, with the athlete. Doing otherwise takes away the athletes own control for change. Unless a situation came up that was physically and/or emotionally damaging to my child, I pretty much let them work it out. My encouragement, again, came only from the standpoint of coming from inside them to make change happen. Whenever I had discussions with a coach of a team my kids played on it was always in reference to whether my kid is giving their best effort, what more they would like to see from them, what they felt the goals should be for the team or my daughter
In reality, all coaches
In reality, all coaches favor certain players. I try to keep in mind the many hours and dedication these parent-coaches bring to youth sports when I get frustrated about the favoritism. If a coach is favoring a daughter over my potentially-equal kid, then I remind myself that I'm not the one out there twice a week coaching practices, 1-2 games per weekend, tournaments both in-state and out, scheduling meetings, dealing with kids & their parents, etc.
Life isn't fair and if the coach's kid gets a bit of a perk, so be it. I'm not talking about blatant abuse here. Those of us that sit on the sidelines need to be sure we show our appreciation and respect to these dedicated members of our communities. It's just another one of life's lessons and we need to use it as a teaching experience. You don't always get the promotion you deserve at work, teachers don't always grade fairly or evenly, and coaches aren't perfect.
I'm sure I've complained about this very same issue in the past. It's not fun to watch a child get more playing time than you think yours deserves. Kirk, your reply is excellent.
The flip side
What about the opposite situation where a coach is too hard on their own child? My husband coaches my son and there are many times where he goes to the opposite end of the spectrum and yells at him more or plays him less where he wouldn't with somebody else's child. He is very aware of this and we always talk about it after the fact. However, he did admit this weekend that when our boy makes a good play, he gets just a little more excited than he would with another player. The big picture is that it is very difficult to coach youth sports period, let alone while integrating home life into it as well. We chose to be involved to avoid having a "bad coach" situation and therefore we will deal with the down sides. My son undestands this and puts up wtih the extra "coaching" for the greater good.
Jackson, Thank you for
Jackson,
Thank you for your letter. You and I could talk for
Jillian, I disagree. I'm
Jillian, I disagree. I'm not going to say that favoritism does not happen because I'm sure it does. But I feel it's isolated. Youth sports are easy because all you do is sign up, practice a few times a week and play games. In middle and high school sports, it's more day to day and the commitment is much higher. The "natural" who doesn't want to work at it drop off.
And yes, unfortunately, in today's travel sports world, kids from families with money and a stable home life have an advantage. I've never favored equal playing time, it gives no incentive for kids to work hard.
Coaching you own son or daughter.
I have coached young beginning kids on and off for nearly 40 years now. I had two boys that were on a teams where I was the head coach. I had some problems at first. Not so much with me favoring them, but they didn't like their dad correcting and telling them what to do all the time. I guess they got enough of that at home. They were not the best kids on their teams either. How I finally worked it out was to get some good coaches to help me, not try to do it all by myself. Then one of the other coaches would coach my son, and I would coach their son. We would have coaches meetings where we would discuss how all the kids on the team were doing. They would tell me how my son was doing, and I would tell them how their son was doing. Then we would discuss how the other coach thought my son could improve, and I would tell them how I thought their son was doing and could improve. Then we would agree on a course of action to take to help them learn and improve. Now I have to say here that I picked coaches that agreed with my basic philosophy of teaching all the boys every fundamental skill we could come up with. This way we each knew our sons were getting excellent coaching. And it worked, they had much more fun out there and they were successful.
You will do all of us good
The tough thing for you (and me) is that once you stick your neckk out and stand up for what is right your kids may feel the heat,,,unless,, you start off by saying something good and then,, saying I fear there will be reprecusions if I speak up--and then ask how can I make certain this coach will not go on to harm the kids? Worked one year for us. Good luck man.
This is a difficult
This is a difficult situation and I can see both ways. I'm not sure there is a right answer. If you split teams evenly, both teams are ok, but neither are really successful and you can't develop fully. You stack one team and you have one really good team and one really bad team. Sometimes when you have a really bad team put together, a couple of those kids really step up and play well because they have to. Whereas if they were on an ok team, they may not get that chance to shine. Conversely even the stacked team will have a couple of kids who may not improve as much as they can because they don't get a chance to play a certain position or handle the ball,etc.
I agree with the reply by
I agree with the reply by John, but what we may need to look at is what point do we start seperating kids into competetive and developmental teams. We are having this discussion at our program, with one group wanting to seperate out into a competetive team with other team getting the inexperienced players. I know we want to see kids develop into better athletes, but this is happening with basketball at the 4th and 5th grade level. As a former youth coach who watched the preseason workouts along with several other coaches, out of 20 girls for the 5th grade level, 3 or 4 somewhat stood out more than others, but not that significantly. The middle 12-14 were fairly similar, with the last couple needing more work than the others. The problem we are running into is a small group of parents want to select the few, primarily friends, and move on. Most of the remaining parents including 3 coaches want to develop the fundamentals for everyone at this age, and then move on to the seperation. Our question is at what age/grade level. We have varied opinions, but most agree that at the 4th/5th grade level may be too soon for most kids.
Where is the Thanks?
I have coached girls sports for the last 15 yrs. in our area and i have found that the words, thanks coach is getting spoken less and less by the parents especially. I like reading the articles at your site, but did'nt see anything from coaches about the above subject and i am curious if you have received any mail from other coaches or have felt that way yourself. I am not looking for the pat on the back and you know the job is and can be a thankless one. Thanks for listening.
Thank You
I am amazed at all of the coaching groups out here like Positive Coaching, etc. They seem to be a huge business and do run many coaches through the program but then the coach is gone. I would love to see more physical ed majors get paid to coach our kids instead of the parent looking out for his own. I always start the season wanting to be thankful but too often I am very mad at the end of it.
You Get What You Pay For
Tandy, I think you are right on track with what really needs to start happening in youth sports. It won't solve all the problems but I wonder what kind of changes would take place if leagues started hiring professionals to do the coaching, like you suggested. There are a lot of great volunteer coaches out there like Elizabeth and we should be grateful they want to spend time with our kids. There are also a lot of not so great volunteer coaches. I have a BS in Physical Education which was required in order for me to coach in the public schools. I couldn't just show up on the playground one day and tell the principal I really love to teach sports to kids so you should let me. No child, regardless of age can be taught sports by a person with a weekend workshop under their belt or by a volunteer in our public schools no matter how good their intentions are. As parents, we need to be willing to pay for that expertise. This means higher league fees which most league directors I talk with say they fear doing. So, the dilemna continues. Great discussion!
Debbie Lantz
Author-"I Just Want To Play"
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Some Leagues Are Different
I had the same issues with favoritism in the past. I recently put my son in an i9 Sports coed soccer league in Tampa. I think they have them all over the country. Their coaches seem to be better trained at giving all the kids equal playing time. The games are about an hour and everyone plays every game at least 30 minutes. My son also gets to play different positions in this league. The last league he played in he never got to play goalie because he wasn't as strong of a player as the other kids. Now it's his favorite position and has really helped his confidence. I had to sign a parental pledge that says I'm committed to my son having fun and that I won't yell at the coach. I thought it was a joke at first but the parents on this team are pretty positive. It's been a great experience. I'm putting my daughter in this fall.
I understand some of your
I understand some of your frustrations with youth sports. But let's take a different spin on this for once. When Johnny or Suzie are out there competing for jobs, they may or may not get a job. It may go to someone who they are better qualfied than, but it is what it is.
They may get a job at a place where they have to work a little harder than the person next to them. Or they may be better at sales than math and get a job in sales rather than accounting.
My point is that LIFE ISN'T FAIR! We're creating a generation of one size fits all, everyone gets equal playing time, and these kids don't know how to compete for anything. They whine to the administration that they are being treated unfairly.
What's wrong with putting a kid in goalie whose good at it, rather than putting a kid whose scared of the ball in goal?
I laugh when there are actual classes and training where coaches have to be certified to coach kids in a sport that they already know.
Quit worrying about where your kid plays and just tell them to do the best job they can. The coaches who compete to win will recognize that and put them in positions to help the team win. While many of you constantly talk about equal playing time and kids playing other positions, I've never seen a kid, high school on down, who was happy after their team lost a game. I have,however, seen kids who don't play much or contribute much, estatic after their TEAM won. People like to be successful, it's how we are wired.
I understand some of your
I understand some of your frustrations with youth sports. But let's take a different spin on this for once. When Johnny or Suzie are out there competing for jobs, they may or may not get a job. It may go to someone who they are better qualfied than, but it is what it is.
They may get a job at a place where they have to work a little harder than the person next to them. Or they may be better at sales than math and get a job in sales rather than accounting.
My point is that LIFE ISN'T FAIR! We're creating a generation of one size fits all, everyone gets equal playing time, and these kids don't know how to compete for anything. They whine to the administration that they are being treated unfairly.
What's wrong with putting a kid in goalie whose good at it, rather than putting a kid whose scared of the ball in goal?
I laugh when there are actual classes and training where coaches have to be certified to coach kids in a sport that they already know.
Quit worrying about where your kid plays and just tell them to do the best job they can. The coaches who compete to win will recognize that and put them in positions to help the team win. While many of you constantly talk about equal playing time and kids playing other positions, I've never seen a kid, high school on down, who was happy after their team lost a game. I have,however, seen kids who don't play much or contribute much, estatic after their TEAM won. People like to be successful, it's how we are wired.
Adults and Children
John, while it is true that it is important for kids to learn the value of overcoming obsticles with hard work and how to grow through failure, I think the reason we see so many kids dropping out of sports is that we treat them like adults and not kids. I also believe the goal in childhood should be to prepare children for adulthood by giving them a chance to develop coping skills and the self-confidence needed to succeed in the adult world in a safe and nurturing environment.
I would love to see all the kids who want to play be kept in the talent pool all the way up and let's see the slow bloomers shine at the varsity level. If we knock them out early becuase they have not matured yet diminishes the program in the long run. As I travel the US I am amazed at the athletic abilities the non-team athletes have compared to team athletes. Kids who develop later and have not had the opportunity to play on sports in school are among our nations best athletes--and many will tell you they knew they had potential talent but just were not able to show it.
Any one else have some ideas?
Brooke de Lench
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Schools and Money woes
John, good dialogs bring in many voices so I hope we get a national debate going here.
I have been a middle and HS coach for over 27 years now and have seen our school district grow from the time I graduated in 73 until today--over 400%. !! The entire school district (sports district) has over 30 schools-including all sports from golf, ultimate, volleyball, and the big four of basketball, baseball, football and soccer. While the sports programs have grown to include more girls the same programs by and far have stayed the same.One varsity, one junior varsity on frehman team. So take my sport of choice--basketball. In 1978 at the same school I coach at there were three teams for boys basketball. Same in 1948, 1958, 1968, 1978, 1988, 1998 and yes this year 2008. We hand out roster spots to 18 freshman boys, 16, junior varsity and 12 varsity players. Now get this, back in '48 (my old man's class) there were only 92 kids in the high school. Now, in the same HS we have 2024 students!!! Anyone doing the math has quickly understood that we are only offering a tiny fraction of the school population a place to play. In earlier years any kid who wanted to could play--and actually my dad says that the coaches just about broke your arm if you did not play.
So, here is the real conundrum as most of us see it. We now have far far fewer of our nations kids participating in sports and a greater number soaking money from our nation to pay for time not on the BB courts but in the legal court system. When you point fingers and whine about no money you may want to add up the billions of dollars we are spending on kids in jail and the crime that kids on the streets cost us as a society. Isn't this a question of priorities?
We are paying billions of dollars for a foolish war and billions on kids in reform schools, state pens, etc. yet no money for sports programs??? if you want to see better sports programs (I have actually watched the quality of the athletes decline every year) and better athletes you need to keep a bigger pool in the game. Do every thing in your power to fund the programs and build them in proportion to the school population. If we keep on this pace of being exclusionary we will end up with no school programs. Parents will begin (they are starting) to say--I am not funding any programs that are excluding my kid. Then where will we be?
Levi, not sure where to
Levi, not sure where to begin. It appears that your school is trying to keep up with the times. I'm sure they have more sports than in 1973. I don't know where you got the thought that LESS kids are participating. All stats I've seen is that participation in athletic programs are at an all time high.
Schools are struggling money-wise, that's a given. The rant involving spending money on kids in jails and war is a political and not sure where you are going with that.
This pie-in-the-sky idea that we should have a YMCA like program at each school so every kid can play basketball regardless of ability is never going to work. Like the idea, but let's get real.
Finally, the thought that the quality of athlete is declining every year???? I wholeheartedly disagree with that thought. All through time, kids have been bigger, stronger and faster as each generation goes by. 50 years ago, athletes were better than 100 years ago. Today's generation is better than my generation ('84) and the next generation will be better than today's.
From a coach
I have coached youth baseball for several years. I also coach youth basketball on and off. There is a happy medium that I don't believe has yet been addressed on this forum, so I shall explore it here.
In all of the leagues that I have coached -- baseball or basketball -- we played a "regular season" of games that were considered developmental. No won-loss records were recorded (although all of the kids knew them!) during the regular season. At the end of the regular season, we did hold tournaments which "counted." The developmental season lasted about 70% of the full season. During that portion of the season, successful managers typically rotated their players and developed players at new positions. Those who failed to do so never had enough bench strength or depth at important positions when we got to our tournaments.
During our developmental season, I always played my own child at skill positions for 3 innings of each game and for 2 innings in the outfield. He sat on the bench for one inning, as did every other player. I tried to follow that model with every player unless I had a player who was at risk of injury if I put him or her in the infield. When we got to our tournament, I played each player where he or she was strongest in comparison to all other players on the squad. The top 8 players each played for every inning and the bottom 4 played half a game each. If I was fortunate enough to feel that I did not have 4 players who were materially less developed than the top 8, I would bench all players equally. Bottom line: All of my players (and the players of many other managers in our leagues) new that they were playing for playing time and that if they performed well in the developmental season, they would get more desireable assignments during the tournament.
favoritism
I wish more coaches were like David. I have 3 kids and all involved in sports. I have 2 that are 12 and 1 that is 10. We have had to go outside our home town in order to give our kids a fair chance at playing sports in our community. Two of my kids are talented and the third has some physical restrictions. I have had the pleasure of having some good coaches in our home town where my kids were treated very fairly. Also they have had the experience of having coaches who only wanted to see their own kids succeed. It is because of the later coaches that we have left our community and went elsewhere and have been treated very well.
David I am glad you have gone into all your seasons with a solid plan that includes all the kids and how they get playing time in regards to how they perform. I have seen in our community how certain players get all the playing time regardless of how they play just because who they are. I have seen what this did to my daughter who was very talented until she played softball for these certain coaches. I am having a hard time convincing her now that she has talent and is able to play the game. I think what upsets me the most was she use to have a real love for the game and enjoyed playing it but after two years of those coaches catering to their daughters she no longer wants anything to do with it.
I am very happy that we have found a really good AAU basketball coach for her for the second year in a row. I have yet to say he favors any of the kids. It took me ½ way through the season last year to figure out who his daughter was. That is what a good coach should do. Unfortunately, politics are too involved in my community and have made it bad for the kids.
Footnote – our U14 travel softball team looks like it will not happen in the spring of 2009 most of the players from last year do no want to play for the coaches, including my daughter.
coaches and favoritism
I was a child athlete (gymnastics) high school athlete,college athlete, ran a gymnastics club, have a BA in Sports management, have coached almost all levels of gymnastics. Now we have our six kids in track and field (HS), baseball, little league, Babe Ruth, legion, and Rec soccer. I have seen a tremendous amount of favoritism, both from coaching parents of kids that play, and even from high school coaches. Some of that favoritism has been directed at my kids, and also against my kids. For the most part I find that the coaches are trying to do a good job. Where most of the trouble seems to lie is in little league, and and junior leagues. It is true that these people are volunteers and they simply do not have to "be nice" if they do not feel like it. I am not taking away from the good ones, because there have been some. I do not find the problem in soccer as much. Less sitting around time maybe? Usually the coaches either favor their kid or yell at their kid, either extreme is wrong, but as I tell my kids politics are everywhere, and you have to learn to just deal with it. It is sad though for the kids, especially if they are doing a good job, trying their hardest, and even if they are also talented physically to watch a "spoiled brat coaches kid" get a reward simply for being the coaches kid, it is "unfair" but more than that it teaches the kids that it does not matter how good you are, how much of a good attitude you have, or how much you try. Rewards should be given on merit, and attitude, not on favoritism. I have watched an entire team of little league boys being discouraged by that, and then being told that they (expletive)....I mean seriously why would the kids want to play after being told that? As a matter of fact. on this one particular team, one of the coaches kids would come into the dug-out, and use the (expletive) at the other kids "we @%#$%" this very kid got the "sportsmanship" award at the youth "banquet"...I mean what does that say to the rest of the kids. Of course if you speak up as a parent, you and your kid get branded......oh well that is the way of the sporting world...should not be, yet often is. Mirrors real life!
I think the cases of
I think the cases of favortism to the coache's kids are isolated and get alot of play (squeeky wheel). In general (and I've coached my kids in several sports) and here is what I've observed.
Coache's kids are:
1. Usually one of the better players on the team. Parents are more interested in sports, tend to play with the kid more at a young age.
2. Usually gets criticized more than the other players. Expectations are usually higher and more is expected. I know I got after my kids more than anyone else on the team.